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  Need scan of a Greber related letter

  by JWOP in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i keep finding references to the wts replying in a letter the following (a letter dated march 15, 1983) anyone know where i can get an actual scan of this?:.

  no doubt you have had opportunity to read the comments in our letter dated december 31, 1982, to brother jack gottfried, secretary of your congregation.

  in our letter we addressed the issue of the propriety of the society in quoting johannes greber's translation as an example of another translation that agreed with the new world translation.

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  Black Sheep

  Try Ken Raines

  http://www.seanet.com/~raines/
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  Just sent letter to my parents that I no longer want to be a JW

  by ?evrything in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a born in.

  both parents are uber dubs and mother has been depressed lately.

  so i m super nervous.

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  You don't have to throw the whole trash can at them. I reckon it's better to do a thorough job on one subject than a half pie job on several. Pick one that undermines selection as God's channel as that is the sand the whole castle is built on.
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  Hubby went out in service today.

  by KariOtt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can't believe hubby and sis in law actually went out in service today.

  when he left this morrning i reminded him to inform those who didn't slam their doors on them that if they join your cult that this will be the last christmas, holiday and birthday they will be allowed to celebrate.

  i thought it very inapproiate going out today to knock on doors trying to get converts..

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  Black Sheep

  Did he tell them Jehovah is going to kill their babies if they didn't join his church?

  ... and then wish them a Merry Christmas? ...
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  Can I get a Merry Christmas?

  by KariOtt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its almost 9:30pm christmas night.

  due to hubby being a jw i am never invited to any holiday dinners.

  christmas, easter, thanksgiving ect.

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  Black Sheep

  Probably too late from my side of the planet, Kari, but...

  Merry Christmas

  Cheers from NZ

  Chris
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  Just sent letter to my parents that I no longer want to be a JW

  by ?evrything in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was a born in.

  both parents are uber dubs and mother has been depressed lately.

  so i m super nervous.

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  Black Sheep

  Stick to asking them questions that you know they don't want to answer, rather than telling them things that you know that they don't want to hear.

  Don't let them off with crap answers and make them be honest by standards that they profess to keep.

  It is a fine line to tread., especially when both parents are full on JW nutters. Sending them an email crossed that line.

  You need to get your parents off guard. They have to know that they need to defend their descision to remain with a church with a history of prophetic failure.... Failures that they know about, but pretend/prefer to ignore. Try to bring up statements that you heard them make.

  I didn't say it was easy.

  Take it sloooooowly. Your parents are psychologically damaged from many years in the cult, so don't expect that you can extract them in a couple of weeks.
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  New here

  by winnie12 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hey i'm new here, i've been reading up so much here and on other sites about tatt and it has really settled a nagging feeling of doubt within me.

  truly i have been lied to and have been trapped in this cult.

  i've been suffering with depression, anxiety, attempted suicide, hospitalization, anti depressants, loneliness all this while being in supposedly surrounded by "the happiest people" on earth.

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  Black Sheep

  Welcome to our nightmare, Winnie.

  My advice is to not do anything different until you have a plan, a well researched plan that has a hope of a good outcome.

  You are really lucky compared to most of us 'born ins' in that you have a non-JW Dad. Lean on him for support. I wish my Dad was a non-dub. Mine is a full blown nutcase.

  Stick around and learn and have some fun with us.

  Cheers

  Chris
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  They are Definitely Attacking "Higher Education"

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a friend of mine recently had his co visit and in the elders meeting the co out-right asked the question: how are the friends doing in your cong.

  as regards pursuing higher education?

  the co continued...you know in view of all the counsel from the slave regarding the dangers.

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  Black Sheep

  Hi thedog1

  I assume you do know that the text I was referring to was 1st Kings 18:27

  Unfortunately, for many faithful JWs, it is the kids that ignored their parent's WT influenced advice and went and got themselves a decent education that are in the best position to help them in their old age. If they are lucky, they are kids they haven't alienated because they didn't join, DAd, faded or were DFd.

  Quoting the experiences of the lucky ones, isn't evidence that the whole JW experience is something to aspire to.
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  Believing It All EXCEPT...

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i used to think that loyal jws bought into the wt teachings 100%.. that's certainly what the gb wants and expects and demands.. but then i encountered some jws who believe it all except for the opposition to higher education.. they think the gb is wrong about that, so all of the children are college educated.. others seem to believe it all but quietly celebrate family birthdays and various holidays.. these aren't people who are fading; they just ignore a few wt teachings that they don't like (despite the risks of being disciplined).. have you seen similar examples of active jws who are doing all the wt-approved stuff except for specific areas where they just ignore what the gb says is required?.

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  I not only see that, but I see JW's using those 'weak in the faith', or borderline JWs as examples to trick the unwary into thinking that JW's are 'normal', or less culty than they really are.

  Every time a JW tells a potential convert, (or ex-Dub for that matter), an 'experience' that makes them sound 'safe' they are leaving out relevant details that they really don't want to discuss if the right questions are asked.
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  Christmas is WRONG!

  by thesaint in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you all should be ashamed of your egotistical selves.

  how can you leave god's organization to celebrate the work of satan the devil?

  it just goes to show you how jehovah's christian witnesses are correct about how persons will leave the truth for their own selfish desires.. first off, christmas is a pagan holiday and it proves no spirit with the almighty jehovah and his son, the christ.

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  Black Sheep

  Christmas is unscriptural and fraudulent!

  Like the WT's Armageddon and Paradise are not?

  My parents sold scores of people and their families the WT's Santa and he never bothered to show up. Their retirement plans of moving into the rich and famous' houses and eating from their grape vines were as real as any story any parent told their kids about Santa.

  Now they want their kids, some of whom they shunned for not falling for their BS JeSanta, to bail them out of mess the WT talked them into creating for themselves.
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  I have JUST become a GREAT GRANNY Of Twins.

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  henry 51bs 12 oz,eve 51bs 14 oz...phil my grnason by marriage just called.. ashley the new mum) my granddaughter who herself was a twin,from my melanie who died when she was 42(cancer).

  they are doing well born by ceaserian at 2.40p.m today!!!!!

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  Black Sheep

  WooHoo. Great news. Contratulations.

  Chris